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Nondual Community: The Flowering of Intersubjectivity (Part 1)

Posted on May 28th, 2007 by Balder : Kosmonaut Balder

COLLECTIVE VISION by Alex Grey


"In the I-I relation, each of us experiences [the] union of our personal lives.  I can no longer say that your experience is not my experience, because we both share it.  Nevertheless, you have experience as yours subjectively and I have it as mine subjectively.  Or, even better, you are it and I am it; you are the whole of it, and I am the whole of it; we do not exclude each other and we do not divide up the reality we share.  This is what I call communitarian nondualism." ~ Beatrice Bruteau
 

On this Memorial Day weekend in the U.S., as I pause to remember the dead of this and all our previous wars, I would like to reflect a little more on that inviting horizon - the promise and the miracle of We - toward which so many of us around the world feel urgently called.  How are we to find our way forward, with the world erupting in violence all around us (and even yet within us)?  How are we to climb out of the limiting perspectives which so often pit us against one another?  Is there another way for us to be together?


In a recent series of essays, several of us (see the links below) have been exploring what appears to be both an evolutionary and a practical imperative:  renewed appreciation for intersubjectivity and the potential for collective awakening.  The topic arises not simply out of idealism or a desire to escape the limitations of "reality," but out of a taste - however brief or sustained - of an emergent collective presence and intelligence that is quickening in groups dedicated to self-inquiry and transformation, and a recognition that "intersubjectivity" is a field which we can no longer afford to leave fallow, as scientists and religionists continue to plough the well-worn fields of objective and subjective inquiry. 


For this essay, I want to give an appreciative nod to three perspectives which have influenced me, and which I believe provide good fertilizer for that field where we seek to grow our sacred grove.  Unlike in my previous essay, where I touched on practical methods for intersubjective inquiry, these perspectives shine light on intersubjectivity itself and suggest new ways of understanding ourselves and our relationships.  In this first part, I will describe some of the ideas of a former professor of mine, Christian de Quincey, particularly with regard to intersubjectivity and interpersonal consciousness.  In Part 2, I will discuss the Time-Space-Knowledge notion of the emergence of the "public self" and Beatrice Bruteau's ideas on communitarian nondualism.  I am looking at each of these perspectives in the interest of opening a shared horizon of meaning, a Vision which can inform the work we do in the service of our collective awakening.


Consciousness as Communion


"Instead of being lone subjects in our own life's drama, we are ‘intersubjects' created by the original worldwide web - the web of intersubjectivity woven in the Great Cosmic Drama, in the Great Unfolding of Being."  ~ Christian de Quincey

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In two recent works, Radical Nature and Radical Knowing, Christian de Quincey, Ph.D., argues for fundamental shifts in our understanding of nature and consciousness.  In Radical Nature, de Quincey makes the case for panpsychism - the notion that consciousness goes all the way down, that ‘interiority' is fundamental to matter and energy at all levels.  In Radical Knowing, he builds on this thesis, suggesting that intersubjectivity is the ground and precondition for, rather than an emergent quality of, individual or personal consciousness.  Like Ken Wilber, de Quincey draws inspiration from the deeply relational process philosophies of A.N. Whitehead and Buddhism (among other influences).  Tracing the roots of the West's philosophical investigation of intersubjectivity, he argues that it has nevertheless not been given the attention it deserves and calls for the cultivation of second-person modes of science and spiritual inquiry.


According to de Quincey, while simple subjectivity (‘the feeling of being') is present throughout nature at all levels, the sense of being an individual, bounded subject emerges out of a primordial ground of sentient relationship (the unbroken flow of Whiteheadian moments of experience).  In other words, personal consciousness (so-called individual subjectivity) emerges out of intersubjectivity.  However, this is not the end of state of conscious evolution.  Beyond the personal consciousness of the isolated ego, a transpersonal interpersonal consciousness may then develop (particularly through the practice of Bohmian dialogue, which he advocates, or other modes of intersubjective inquiry).  This stage is the first flowering of transpersonal awareness, which may then open into unitive consciousness, which transcends and integrates all prior forms of (inter)subjectivity.


De Quincey finds it useful to distinguish among several types (or definitions) of subjectivity and intersubjectivity.  I quote the following from an article which is available on his website:
 

Subjectivity-1: In the first case, subjectivity means, essentially, a capacity for feeling that is intrinsic, or interior, to the entity under consideration--a what-it-feels-like-from-within. The key notion here is "experienced interiority" as distinct from vacuous (i.e. without experience) external relations. A subject is constituted by internal relations, and these are felt or experienced. Without experience there could be no subjectivity (and vice versa; in fact, the two words are virtually synonymous); and experience is always internal or intrinsic to the subject-that is to say, experience doesn't "happen to" a subject, it is constitutive of the subject.

Subjectivity has a point of view. It "takes account of," or feels, its own being. Its being is validated, felt, or known from within itself-hence it is first-person--not just from without. It cannot be fully accounted for by external, mechanical relations. A subject lives or endures through time, feeling its own continuity.

Subjectivity-2: In another, related through restricted, sense, subjectivity means an isolated, independent, self-sufficient locus of experience. Classically, this is the Cartesian ego, wholly private, and independent of all reality external to it. In the first case, subjectivity-1, experienced interiority is not automatically self-contained within its own private domain--it is interior, but not necessarily independent or isolated. The question of whether it is self-contained or interdependent is left open: It is possible for subjectivity-1 to be either interior and shared, or interior and private. In this second, Cartesian, case, the subject is not only interior, it is self-contained and private. Such independent egos, or subjects--Leibniz called them "monads"--can communicate only via mediating signals, whereas subjectivity-1 can communicate by participating in shared presence. With subjectivity-1, interiority or feeling can be "intersubjective" and precede individual subjects; in subjectivity-2, interiority is always private, and intersubjectivity, if it occurs, is always secondary. I will be using both forms of "subjectivity" in this paper, but will be careful to indicate, where it is not obvious from the context, which variety I am referring to.

Which brings us to the core question raised by this paper: Which comes first, subjectivity or intersubjectivity? I will return to this in a moment, but first I should clarify what I mean by "intersubjective."

Intersubjectivity-1: This standard meaning derives from Cartesian subjectivity (isolated, independent subjects). Here, individual subjectivity ontologically precedes intersubjectivity. Individual, isolated subjects come first, and then through communication of signals arrive at consensual agreement. Here, the "inter" in intersubjectivity refers to agreement "between" subjects about so-called objective facts--and the subjects don't even have to interact (their agreement could be validated by a third party, as indeed is often the case in science).

Intersubjectivity-2a: Here, the sense of individual subjects remains, but now intersubjectivity refers to how the experience or consciousness of participating subjects is influenced and conditioned by their mutual interaction and engagement. The emphasis here is on the "experienced interiority" of the subjects as they interact, not on their "objective" agreement about some item of knowledge. Although this is a significant shift of emphasis from the standard meaning of intersubjectivity, nevertheless it is "weak" compared with the "strong" shift we will look at below. It is "weak," not because the participation and engagement involved is weak--indeed it could be intense--but because it refers to changes that happen to the form of consciousness of the participating subjects, not to the fact of such consciousness. It is "weak" insofar as it refers to the contents, not the context, of consciousness. It is a "weak" meaning of intersubjectivity because it addresses psychological rather than philosophical issues; it is "weak" because it still posits subjectivity as ontologically prior to intersubjectivity. Here, the "inter" in intersubjectivity refers to the mutual "structural coupling" of already existing experiencing subjects, where the interiorities of the participating subjects are interdependently shaped by their interaction.

Intersubjectivity-2b: This is the most radical meaning, and one that offers the most promise to transpersonal psychology. According to this "stronger" meaning, intersubjectivity is truly a process of co-creativity, where relationship is ontologically primary. All individuated subjects co-emerge, or co-arise, as a result of a holistic "field" of relationships. The being of any one subject is thoroughly dependent on the being of all other subjects, with which it is in relationship. Here, intersubjectivity precedes subjectivity (in the second, Cartesian, sense, but subjectivity in the first sense, of experienced interiority, is implicit throughout). The fact, not just the form, of subjectivity (second, Cartesian sense) is a consequence of intersubjectivity. Here, the "inter" in intersubjectivity refers to an "interpenetrating" co-creation of loci of subjectivity--a thoroughly holistic and organismic mutuality.

Intersubjectivity 2a is hardly controversial.  There is abundant support in psychological and sociological literature and clinical research, for example, that subjects mutually condition each other.  Whether our ‘interbeing' goes deeper is still open to question - though many feel that mature contemplative insight reveals the truth of the 2b as well.

One of de Quincey's more controversial claims, from a modern scientific perspective, is that there are forms of knowing in addition to the first-person subjective and third-person objective modes - that there is the possibility for direct, nonlocal subject to subject (I-to-I) knowing, unmediated by symbols, signals, or other types of energetic exchange.  If we are ever to confirm the existence of this mode of awareness, I believe it will be through the cultivation of subjective and intersubjective contemplative methodologies, as complements rather than alternatives to conventional scientific practices.


Whether or not we learn to know each other ‘from within' in the radical way that de Quincey suggests is possible, simply honoring the "we" of consciousness - conscientia means ‘to know with' - and recognizing, through the practice of intersubjective inquiry, how deeply and fundamentally the miracle of "I" depends for its existence on the miracle of "you," we will have taken an important step towards birthing a richer way of being together, at the creative edge of our co-emergence.

[Go to Part 2]
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For related discussions, check out the following blogs:

Why the Next Buddha Will Be a Collective

The Collective Buddha Inquiry

We are the Next Buddha

The We of Us: A Trialogue

Steps Towards Integral Deep Dialogue: Part 1 and Part 2

The Magic in the Middle


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jikishin : composer
about 1 hour later
jikishin said

quite,

I recognize de Quincey's non-local sub.-to-sub. as one of my fundamental suppositions, or operating assumptions. This premise was reified in my monastic period. This core opinion, to unpack it, involves an ackowledgment of energetic exchange being but a superficial, indirect and non-immediate set of experiences. That these dense means of informedness (ededic, somatic/neural, temporal/spacial in regards to the relative slowness of light and sound) are just that, shallow surface manifestation.

Aside from that, I was so glad, finding that your Bruteau quote brought to mind a stanza from my poetry of , maybe twenty-four years ago (speaking of slow).
…”You see were you are. / You are not remote any more. /  Nor can these be outdated statements. / If I was you I would view this as purely personal. / 'cause we're the concentric twins / placed here by the love / we've begun to understand. …

Given that disposition back then I'm not surprized that my notion, similar to the non-local intersubjectivity, has developed without refutation, but has grown more personally convincing over time. Certainly you can imagine my delight at finding the like posited by others!

Still, I suppose there's no softer science than mine.

Thanks again Balder,
jikishin

Balder : Kosmonaut
about 2 hours later
Balder said

Hi, Kerry, yes … this perspective provides a framework for experiences in my life which otherwise are anomalous.  I think I've developed a habit (being still rather fresh out of university) of writing these sorts of things in a more “distant” or neutral voice, and so I adopted an agnostic position with regard to “I-I” direct knowledge: knowing by being.  But there have certainly been instances in my life (more often when I'm meditating regularly, but not always) when my consciousness appears to “overlap” with someone else's, no matter what the distance, and somehow I appear to be able to know something directly.  For instance, when a loved one attempted suicide years ago, I was possessed all that day by an image in my mind which turns out to have been the very scene they were looking at:  looking up through the high grass of a field at the rainy sky, as they lay on their back waiting to die.  I made a poem out of the image, it haunted me so, and only learned the next day that this person (300 miles away) had been having these experiences.

Obviously, such anecdotes do not meet the demands of science for objective verification and repeatability, but (for me) they are hard to ignore.


Anyway, thanks for your appreciative note.  I like what de Quincey is up to and think he's doing useful work in attempting to lay philosophical foundations for these sorts of perspectives.  If you read his books, however, you'll see he also says he's using philosophy to go beyond philosophy – to make the case that there are other modes of knowing that are equally essential, and equally rich.

Mushin : We-full
about 9 hours later
Mushin said

Hi Bruce,

this first installment is really fantastic - I read “Radical Knowing” just a few months ago, and it was very helpful in accepting what I (we, really) felt was happening.

I've had experiences which strongly suggest that Intersubjectivity 2b is actually the case… and I wonder if de Quincy has developed some methods to access IS 2a and/or 2b - I'm always on the look-out for that as it is my experience that - the more I experiment with this basic stance - our learning is immensely augmented by an 'intersubjective field' (which long ago I dubbed “living field”), and it doesn't seem to matter much on which developemental level people are (in the Spiral Dynamics sense, for instance); given a sufficient number of people willing to move into the 'intersubjective zone' it becomes hugely attractive, and so then you will pick up what's yours from the learning available within that field.

Looking forward to your second installment,
mushin

Sandra : Inspirational Ambassador
about 12 hours later
Sandra said

Fabulous.

And yes, Mushin, I too have had experiences which seem to 'fit' the Intersubjectivity 2b description. Mostly during Harmonic Chant, or certain group meditations, or even 'out of the blue' with others. Like you, these experiences did not seem to have much to do with the SP developmental level of the individuals involved.

Intention, is perhaps an essential ingredient, but I don't even know about that. Perhaps for a shift on a grand scale we need intention, a willingness to go beyond the safety zone of the formulated/separated “I”.

Thanks so much Balder-Bruce for taking the time and presence to share.

Sandra

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